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 Post subject: Alternativno grejanje drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:09 am 
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Na Youtubu ukucajte rocket stove, rocket stove mass heater, Wood gas stove, Wood gas


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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:54 am 
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Kao prvo Dishi68, podrav i dobro nam došao....

Šta se podrazumeva pod pojmom "grejanje starim gorivom...."?

Da li ima ve?i stepen iskoriš?enja toplote u odnosu na primer tešku kaljevu pe??

Da li je manja potrošnja drva? Koliko je vremenski razmak izme?u dva loženja? Bilo bi dobro najmanje 12 sati (a još bolje i na 24 ili 48 sati) razmak izme?u dva loženja. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:45 am 
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Pozdrav i od mene... Odlicna je fora sa ovim pecima.... U nju bukvalno ubacujes sta god imas od starog drveta. Nego, eloizo, dali si primetio da su ovo kuce radjene od zemlje na ovim snimcima?

I za kraj.... Ben Akiba je prelep. Odgledao sam slike. Svaka cast

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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:10 pm 
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eloizo wrote:
Kao prvo Dishi68, podrav i dobro nam došao....

Šta se podrazumeva pod pojmom "grejanje starim gorivom...."?

Da li ima ve?i stepen iskoriš?enja toplote u odnosu na primer tešku kaljevu pe??

Da li je manja potrošnja drva? Koliko je vremenski razmak izme?u dva loženja? Bilo bi dobro najmanje 12 sati (a još bolje i na 24 ili 48 sati) razmak izme?u dva loženja. :)

?? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????? ???? ??? ? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????, ? ??? ???? ????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ??????. ????? ? ?? youtube ? ?????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? (woodgas) ? ??????? ????????? ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ???????. ?????????? ??? ??? ?????????? ??? ??????? ???, ???? ??? ??? ??? ???????? ?? ???????????

grba wrote:
Pozdrav i od mene... Odlicna je fora sa ovim pecima.... U nju bukvalno ubacujes sta god imas od starog drveta. Nego, eloizo, dali si primetio da su ovo kuce radjene od zemlje na ovim snimcima?

I za kraj.... Ben Akiba je prelep. Odgledao sam slike. Svaka cast

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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:46 am 
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Dishi68 wrote:
?? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?????? ??????????? ???? ??? ? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????, ? ??? ???? ????, ????? ??????? ?????????? ??????. ????? ? ?? youtube ? ?????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? (woodgas) ? ??????? ????????? ?? ???????? ??? ???????? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ???????. ?????????? ??? ??? ?????????? ??? ??????? ???, ???? ??? ??? ??? ???????? ?? ???????????

To što si prikazao je verovatno još u eksperimentalnoj fazi i može verovatno poslužiti samo za kuvanje?

A za lokalno grejanje prostorije na primer snage oko 10 kW?!

Ne znam engleski, a šta je to što se napaja ispod limenki?

Šta se postiže ventilatorom sa Stirlingovim motor?i?em? Brže grejanje?

Imam muku. Pošto živim u staroj ku?i od zemlje sa samo dve prostorije, svaka ima tri spoljna zida, treba da bacim šporet smederevac, starog 23 godine, a hteo bih pošto sam samac neki šporet sli?an ALFA-Vranje sa dubljim ložištem radi ve?eg vremena izme?u dva loženja od na primer 10 sati, a da ne bude mnogo skup. Da li znaš nešto o tome?


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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:26 pm 
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eloizo wrote:
To što si prikazao je verovatno još u eksperimentalnoj fazi i može verovatno poslužiti samo za kuvanje?

A za lokalno grejanje prostorije na primer snage oko 10 kW?!

Ne znam engleski, a šta je to što se napaja ispod limenki?

Šta se postiže ventilatorom sa Stirlingovim motor?i?em? Brže grejanje?

Imam muku. Pošto živim u staroj ku?i od zemlje sa samo dve prostorije, svaka ima tri spoljna zida, treba da bacim šporet smederevac, starog 23 godine, a hteo bih pošto sam samac neki šporet sli?an ALFA-Vranje sa dubljim ložištem radi ve?eg vremena izme?u dva loženja od na primer 10 sati, a da ne bude mnogo skup. Da li znaš nešto o tome?


U prethodnom postu sam dopunio video prezentacije iz kojih možeš dobiti ideju, a ima i Na Youtubu ukucaj rocket stove, rocket stove mass heater, Wood gas stove, Wood gas.Ovaj rocket stove mass heater je idealan za ?akmare. i on zapravo greje termalnu masu, tj u ovom slu?aju "klupu" napravljenu oko ?unka sa glinom, slamom i ...

Onaj ventilator?i? raspore?uje toplotu.

Ispod limenki se napaja mali PC ventilator?i? i služi da ubaci svež vazduh u gornji deo gde se vide rupice da bi izgoreo Wood gas, a to zna?i oni gasovi koji na dnu nisu sagoreli.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:47 am 
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Dishi68 wrote:
Ispod limenki se napaja mali PC ventilator?i? i služi da ubaci svež vazduh u gornji deo gde se vide rupice da bi izgoreo Wood gas, a to zna?i oni gasovi koji na dnu nisu sagoreli.

A može Wood gas stove (prevod: pe? na drvni gas) i bez PC ventilator?i?a i to je neka vrsta primusa i koristi se za planinare, izletnike,... u prirodi i u vanrednim situacijama (rat, nepogoda, zemljotres,...) i služi samo za kuvanje, prženje,... ali ne i za grejanje prostorije sem za grejanje promrzlih ruku. :)

Na drugom snimku je zanimljiv na?in rešenja podloge sa otvorom za ubacivanje drv?i?a.

[youtube]gZitudZB7Xo[/youtube] [youtube]blrtAATim7w[/youtube]

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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:59 am 
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Osnova Rocket stove za izgradnju:

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Osnove "Rocket stove" na engleskom jeziku:

http://bioenergylists.org/stovesdoc/Pcia/Design%20Principles%20for%20Wood%20Burning%20Cookstoves.pdf

http://bioenergylists.org/stovesdoc/apro/Heat/Heating%20Stoves%20LO-RES.pdf

http://bioenergylists.org/stovesdoc/apro/dung/Aprodung.htm

http://www.bioenergylists.org/stovesdoc/Design/rocket/MangiMangi60LPlans.pdf

http://www.bioenergylists.org/stovesdoc/Design/rocket/Rocketstovedesign.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Alternativno grejanje starim gorivom drvom i piljevinom.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:40 am 
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Dishi68 wrote:
......Onaj ventilator?i? raspore?uje toplotu.....

Postoji jednostavniji ventilator

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Ecofan Heat Powered Wood Stove Fan

Ecofan heat powered wood stove fan uses the heat from your wood stove to power its fan. The heat powered fan can move up to 100 cubic feet per minute of warm air from your stove throughout the room to help evenly distribute heat. By circulating the warm air away from your stove and into your living space your stove will be more efficient because you won’t have to keep it as hot in order to make your room feel comfortable. This will save you money by burning less firewood or gas.

Ecofan heat powered wood stove fan comes already assembled. Simply place it on the top of your stove and when the stove reaches at least 150ºF (65°C) it will automatically generate its own electricity and start circulating air. This temperature is easy to reach since wood stoves typically operate well above that temperature. The hotter it gets the faster the fan will operate. Ecofan is 100% self contained, has no power cord and uses no batteries.

Ecofan heat powered gas stove fans are also available.


How Ecofan Works

It is pretty simple how Ecofan works. In order to work its base which is in contact with the top of your stove must be at least 150ºF (65°C) and the top of the fan must be cooler. This is easy to accomplish by placing the fan close to the back or side of the stove so cooler air from the room can circulate over the top of the fan.

As heat from the base travels through the Ecofan to the cooling fins on top it passes through a semiconductor thermocouple device that generates an electric current. When two dissimilar conductors or semiconductors are joined together they can create an electric current as heat passes from one to another.

This electric current is then used to power the motor that turns the fan. As the heat powered fan blows hot air away cooler air moves in to replace it, passes over the cooling fins on top of the fan which continues to maintain the temperature difference between the base and the top.

What are the Advantages of Ecofan?

* Saves energy and money by making your stove more efficient
* Makes your room feel more comfortable by circulating warm air away from the stove and into your living space
* Ultra quiet operation
* 1 year manufacturers warranty
* Zero operating cost, generates its own electricity
* Comes pre-assembled and ready to use
* Comes with carbon neutral shipping
* Makes an excellent conversation piece


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